[Shacs] A nod in the direction of our favorite fedora-wearingfriend...

Wed Apr 16 07:14:12 CDT 2008

Mmmm jcl + cobol, what I'd give for a real text editor on the mainframe.

On Apr 15, 2008, at 10:14 PM, "Bronius Motekaitis" <bronius.motekaitis at gmail.com 
 > wrote:

> well... So gnat is an ADA IDE?  I hate to be the one, but I think  
> rich development environments actually clutter the learning  
> process.  I know as a lab assistant for one perspective and student  
> for another that Visual C++ was way way overkill for that simple C++  
> algorithms class... we didn't use it for anything more than a  
> confusing compiler, and I think that confused a lot of people.
>
> ADA happens to be the language Burris chooses to teach OOP in; if  
> the student misses the concept, no IDE will help.
>
> The sell might work for MIS degrees, but give give a guy (or gal,  
> Wendy, Samira..) a text editor and a compiler, and he (or she) can  
> feel like a real champ.
>
> (I used to be all about "the perfect graphical interface" and, in  
> fact, they do have their place, but I don't think it needs to be  
> introduced early on.  They're great for big projects, but when we're  
> programming motors in a car or astronauts in space for Burris'  
> classes, it's a bit much.)
>
> Side note: I wrote on the bottom of one of [Dr.] Hartness' homework  
> assignments that I turned in incomplete a litany of why I refused to  
> do the COBOL assignment, citing, above all, the really hard to  
> understand editor and compiler I was given to use.  I never learned  
> the language, but I still like to make fun of it..  And if you think  
> COBOL is cool, try System-Z... who ever knew it would come back to  
> bite me like this in my current job..
>
> -bronius
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:38 PM, PILLING, ANDREW ALEXANDER <AAP006 at shsu.edu 
> > wrote:
> So about that GNAT Ada 2005 GAP Package I've been pushing Dr. Cooper  
> and
> you to add to your repertoire as well as the course materials  
> offered to
> students here...
> http://www.adacore.com/home/ada_answers/ada_2005
> http://www.adacore.com/home/ada_answers/resources
> http://www.adacore.com/home/academia
> http://www.adacore.com/home/academia/gap
>
> I really think you'd have a lot more success making lifelong  
> converts to
> the Ada philosophy if y'all pursued this.
> -Drew
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shacs-bounces at shsu.edu [mailto:shacs-bounces at shsu.edu] On Behalf
> Of David Burris
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:34 PM
> To: 'shacs at shsu.edu '
> Subject: Re: [Shacs] A nod in the direction of our favorite
> fedora-wearingfriend...
>
> Thanks John.
> Now that you mention it, we have several individuals at the project
> manager level or above who learned Ada at your Alma Mater.  I used to
> teach Ada in the summer with emphasis on its multi-tasking abilities  
> and
>
> program coordination abilities (not this silly threading nonsense).
> They have many interesting stories to tell regarding lessons learned
> from those "other" languages.  They do not believe in "Programmer  
> Gump"
> literature adorning the hall ways at present!  They know I would never
> be seduced by the dark, evil side of the force.
>
> Typical labs were to shot down incoming missiles mirving war heads  
> fired
>
> by the evil war lords.  The probability of a successful kill went down
> as a function of the distance at which the missile was detected.  We
> lost a lot of valuable space explorers in attacks by the dark  
> side.  :(
>
> But the survivors fought on to victory with many going to Lockheed,  
> NASA
>
> support groups, and European companies.
>
> You got to love it when your right!!!
> :)  :)  :0  :)  Yea Team!!!
>
> Go Kats!!!
>
> John M. Collier wrote:
> > I'm sure most of you have already seen this, but apparently somebody
> at Lockheed Martin must have
> > studied under Burris...
> >
> >
> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl? 
> sid=08/04/15/1554234&from=rss
> >
> > Apparently Ada makes for projects that are on time, under budget,  
> and
> secure to boot.  I saw no
> > mention of "The Great Unwashed", but maybe they're just trying to be
> polite.  If anyone sees
> > Burris dancing down the hall shouting "I told you so...", now you  
> know
> why.  oh, and if anyone is
> > witness to the aforementioned dancing.... please post pictures to
> shacs list.
> >
> > JMC
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