[Shacs] Re: Shacs Digest, Vol 54, Issue 17
Alex Pujols
alex.pujols at gmail.com
Fri Feb 1 21:31:37 CST 2008
Wow, I feel like an outcast since I didn't go the coding route.
I graduated in 05' and am one of the small group of Sam grads that got
involved in the security arena. I'm currently with Cisco Systems as a
Security Engineer based in the Houston office. If anyone is working
security in the Houston area feel free to drop me a line. My contact
info is below.
Alex Pujols, CISSP
Security Engineer
apujols at cisco.com
PH: (713) 448 1416
FX: (713) 448 1699
"it's how you behave once you have root access that's interesting"
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> 1. Re: Old friends (inventory of former CS students/SHACS
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> 2. Old friends (inventory of former CS students/SHACS members)
> (Jared Lobberecht)
> 3. RE: Old friends (inventory of former CS students/SHACS
> members) (PILLING, ANDREW ALEXANDER)
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:02:31 -0800 (PST)
> From: Chris Gonzales <raptor_cg at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Shacs] Old friends (inventory of former CS
> students/SHACS members)
> To: Blake Householder <blake8086 at gmail.com>, shacs at shsu.edu
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> Preach it brother. I'm often surprised any code works in production, I did not graduate from SHSU, but I did attend for 3 years (1998-2001). I've work for Northrop Grumman (contracted to the USPS) in Tennessee and now work for Group 1 (owned by Pitney Bowes) in Maryland.
>
> Another great one is when the source for an executable for a vital build process no longer exist and no one knows how it works.
>
> Spaghetti code - especially for highly portable code, our code has to work on multiple UNIX plats, Windows plats, MVS, IMS, VSE, 32 bit/64 bit, big Endian/little Endian, ASCII/EBCDIC....so there are a quadrillion #if's making for very madding code.
>
> Or my personal favorite, unique build process for different systems causing there to be multiple copies of the same code with slightly different names (to meet naming conventions dreamed up by the build team and/or system). A complete nightmare.
>
>
> But that is why they pay us the big bucks baby!!!
>
> Chris
>
>
> Blake Householder <blake8086 at gmail.com> wrote: I graduated Sam in May 2006, worked for a NASA subcontractor named Tietronix from June 06 - July 07. I moved to Austin and got a job with a small startup named Minggl.com. I did not enjoy my time at Tietronix very much, and I'm loving Minggl. I currently develop with Groovy (for Grails), JavaScript, Lua, MySQL, and some Python.
>
> You know how Dr. Burris (or whoever you take software engineering with) tells you to expect production code to not have the same... quality as the code you deal with in school? I cannot possibly overstate how incredibly bad some production code really is.
>
> You will have chains of includes that include other include files with selective includes that then pull a list of includes from a database and include those.
>
> You will have a database table named SYSTEM_VARS and no one knows what it does anymore.
>
> You will have configuration files named config.xml, config_real.xml, config_new.xml, config_bak.xml, config_use_this_one.xml, config_production.xml.
>
> You will not even have source control.
>
> Your bug tracker is a shared Excel spreadsheet that one guy always keep open so no one can edit it.
>
> One project I worked on had a 37 step install process for the project, and the deploy process was "the lead developer has to spend his weekend deploying the project".
>
> You're gonna love it.
>
> On Jan 30, 2008 11:01 AM, Jonathan Hill <jonathan.f.hill at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do we have some facility for tracking down former students of the CS department.
> There was a guy Ali (the last name escapes me at the moment) that I was in classes with
> and did some projects with while I was at Sam that I'd like to talk to again. I was there between
> 2001-2005 just for a frame of reference.
>
> Anyhow, I think it'd be interesting to take an inventory of former CS students/SHACS members -- work environment, location, etc.
>
> As for me, I landed as a lisp developer (yeah, really) at a small startup in Bethesda, Md. The name of the company is Preventive Medicine
> and the product that we're developing is an interactive, personalized health and wellness system intended to be deployed by large health
> insurance providers. As I mentioned, I develop in lisp on macs using emacs as my preferred text editor. (If anyone reading this has yet to
> take the language translators class, I highly recommend you try lisp as the environment as it provides really nice semantic features and
> the best manipulation of symbols that I've seen from any language.) I feel really lucky to be where I am and I look forward to hearing about
> everyone else.
>
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> From: "Jared Lobberecht" <jared at lobberecht.com>
> Subject: [Shacs] Old friends (inventory of former CS students/SHACS
> members)
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> Now that we know the world of software is held
> together with bailing wire, and we are not allowed to fix it, what should
> we do?
>
> Jared
>
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> From: Chris Gonzales <raptor_cg at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:11 PM
> To: Blake Householder <blake8086 at gmail.com>, shacs at shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Shacs] Old friends (inventory of former CS students/SHACS members)
>
> Preach it brother. I'm often surprised any code works in production, I did not graduate from SHSU, but I did attend for 3 years (1998-2001). I've work for Northrop Grumman (contracted to the USPS) in Tennessee and now work for Group 1 (owned by Pitney Bowes) in Maryland. Another great one is when the source for an executable for a vital build process no longer exist and no one knows how it works. Spaghetti code - especially for highly portable code, our code has to work on multiple UNIX plats, Windows plats, MVS, IMS, VSE, 32 bit/64 bit, big Endian/little Endian, ASCII/EBCDIC....so there are a quadrillion #if's making for very madding code. Or my personal favorite, unique build process for different systems causing there to be multiple copies of the same code with slightly different names (to meet naming conventions dreamed up by the build team and/or system). A complete nightmare. But that is why they pay us the big bucks baby!!! Chris
>
> Blake Householder <blake8086 at gmail.com> wrote: I graduated Sam in May 2006, worked for a NASA subcontractor named Tietronix from June 06 - July 07. I moved to Austin and got a job with a small startup named Minggl.com. I did not enjoy my time at Tietronix very much, and I'm loving Minggl. I currently develop with Groovy (for Grails), JavaScript, Lua, MySQL, and some Python.
>
> You know how Dr. Burris (or whoever you take software engineering with) tells you to expect production code to not have the same... quality as the
> code you deal with in school? I cannot possibly overstate how incredibly bad some production code really is.
>
> You will have chains of includes that include other include files with selective includes that then pull a list of includes from a database and include those.
>
> You will have a database table named SYSTEM_VARS and no one knows what it does anymore.
>
> You will have configuration files named config.xml, config_real.xml, config_new.xml, config_bak.xml, config_use_this_one.xml, config_production.xml.
>
> You will not even have source control.
>
> Your bug tracker is a shared Excel spreadsheet that one guy always keep open so no one can edit it.
>
> One project I worked on had a 37 step install process for the project, and the deploy process was "the lead developer has to spend his weekend deploying the project".
>
> You're gonna love it.
>
> On Jan 30, 2008 11:01 AM, Jonathan Hill <jonathan.f.hill at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do we have some facility for tracking down former students of the CS department.
> There was a guy Ali (the last name escapes me at the moment) that I was in classes with
> and did some projects with while I was at Sam that I'd like to talk to again. I was there between
> 2001-2005 just for a frame of reference.
>
> Anyhow, I think it'd be interesting to take an inventory of former CS students/SHACS members -- work environment, location, etc.
>
> As for me, I landed as a lisp developer (yeah, really) at a small startup in Bethesda, Md. The name of the company is Preventive Medicine
> and the product that we're developing is an interactive, personalized health and wellness system intended to be deployed by large health
> insurance providers. As I mentioned,
> I develop in lisp on macs using emacs as my preferred text editor. (If anyone reading this has yet to
> take the language translators class, I highly recommend you try lisp as the environment as it provides really nice semantic features and
> the best manipulation of symbols that I've seen from any language.) I feel really lucky to be where I am and I look forward to hearing about
> everyone else.
>
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:46:02 -0600
> From: "PILLING, ANDREW ALEXANDER" <AAP006 at shsu.edu>
> Subject: RE: [Shacs] Old friends (inventory of former CS
> students/SHACS members)
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> Get together with friends to form a start-up company that does things
> right from the get go and blow the competition out of the water. Sure
> people may lose jobs when businesses fail but if they find jobs with
> companies that are doing things with a proper engineering perspective in
> mind then they'll probably find a great deal more job satisfaction from
> their new jobs anyways.
>
>
>
> I spend a little time every couple of weeks with some friends of mind
> implementing just such a plan. I feel sorry for the competition once
> we've honed our products and make them available for purchase; all their
> [customer] base will belong to us.
>
>
>
> -Drew
>
>
>
> From: shacs-bounces at shsu.edu [mailto:shacs-bounces at shsu.edu] On Behalf
> Of Jared Lobberecht
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 1:48 PM
> To: shacs at shsu.edu
> Subject: [Shacs] Old friends (inventory of former CS students/SHACS
> members)
>
>
>
> Now that we know the world of software is held together with bailing
> wire, and we are not allowed to fix it, what should we do?
>
> Jared
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Chris Gonzales <raptor_cg at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:11 PM
> To: Blake Householder <blake8086 at gmail.com>, shacs at shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Shacs] Old friends (inventory of former CS students/SHACS
> members)
>
> Preach it brother. I'm often surprised any code works in production, I
> did not graduate from SHSU, but I did attend for 3 years (1998-2001).
> I've work for Northrop Grumman (contracted to the USPS) in Tennessee and
> now work for Group 1 (owned by Pitney Bowes) in Maryland.
>
>
>
> Another great one is when the source for an executable for a vital build
> process no longer exist and no one knows how it works.
>
>
>
> Spaghetti code - especially for highly portable code, our code has to
> work on multiple UNIX plats, Windows plats, MVS, IMS, VSE, 32 bit/64
> bit, big Endian/little Endian, ASCII/EBCDIC....so there are a
> quadrillion #if's making for very madding code..
>
>
>
> Or my personal favorite, unique build process for different systems
> causing there to be multiple copies of the same code with slightly
> different names (to meet naming conventions dreamed up by the build team
> and/or system). A complete nightmare.
>
>
>
>
>
> But that is why they pay us the big bucks baby!!!
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Blake Householder <blake8086 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I graduated Sam in May 2006, worked for a NASA subcontractor named
> Tietronix from June 06 - July 07. I moved to Austin and got a job with
> a small startup named Minggl.com <http://minggl.com/> . I did not enjoy
> my time at Tietronix very much, and I'm loving Minggl. I currently
> develop with Groovy (for Grails), JavaScript, Lua, MySQL, and some
> Python.
>
> You know how Dr. Burris (or whoever you take software engineering with)
> tells you to expect production code to not have the same... quality as
> the code you deal with in school? I cannot possibly overstate how
> incredibly bad some production code really is.
>
> You will have chains of includes that include other include files with
> selective includes that then pull a list of includes from a database and
> include those.
>
> You will have a database table named SYSTEM_VARS and no one knows what
> it does anymore.
>
> You will have configuration files named config.xml, config_real.xml,
> config_new.xml, config_bak.xml, config_use_this_one.xml,
> config_production.xml.
>
> You will not even have source control.
>
> Your bug tracker is a shared Excel spreadsheet that one guy always keep
> open so no one can edit it.
>
> One project I worked on had a 37 step install process for the project,
> and the deploy process was "the lead developer has to spend his weekend
> deploying the project".
>
> You're gonna love it.
>
> On Jan 30, 2008 11:01 AM, Jonathan Hill <jonathan.f.hill at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Do we have some facility for tracking down former students of the CS
> department.
> There was a guy Ali (the last name escapes me at the moment) that I was
> in classes with
> and did some projects with while I was at Sam that I'd like to talk to
> again. I was there between
> 2001-2005 just for a frame of reference.
>
> Anyhow, I think it'd be interesting to take an inventory of former CS
> students/SHACS members -- work environment, location, etc.
>
> As for me, I landed as a lisp developer (yeah, really) at a small
> startup in Bethesda, Md. The name of the company is Preventive Medicine
> and the product that we're developing is an interactive, personalized
> health and wellness system intended to be deployed by large health
> insurance providers. As I mentioned, I develop in lisp on macs using
> emacs as my preferred text editor. (If anyone reading this has yet to
> take the language translators class, I highly recommend you try lisp as
> the environment as it provides really nice semantic features and
> the best manipulation of symbols that I've seen from any language.) I
> feel really lucky to be where I am and I look forward to hearing about
> everyone else.
>
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